Curse

FelixCarter · Dec 30, 2006, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Yanman.be

I buy every single one of them, simply because of the good "total" game GW is, and A.Net deserves my money.

Amen to that.

Factions was not Prophecies.
Nightfall was not Prophecies.
Factions was not Nightfall.

I bought Factions knowing that it was a different dev team that had made it. I knew it wasn't gonna be as cool as (I thought) Prophecies was. When Nightfall came out, I had hopes.

Granted, Prophecies is still my favorite because it took time and effort to create a good, solid character that could make it to the end of the game and get all the Missions+Bonus done as well.

HOWEVER, I still liked Factions and Nightfall. They're different. If my friend ever asked me, "Which of the three games should I buy?" I'd say Nightfall, because it has all the updated items and armors that the other campaignes can only dream of having.

You notice how all the armor in Tyria now sucks compared to Cantha and Elona? O.o
You notice how few greens Tyria has compared to Cantha and Elona? o.O

Each game is going to succeed its predecessors. That's just how Guild Wars works...

Hmm...

I kinda went off topic and forgot what we were talking about.

Tact · Dec 30, 2006, 10:36 AM // 10:36

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Originally Posted by Hand of Ruin

This thread is beyond worthless really...

Lol

I have to agree with what a lot of people say. You can't judge a book and predict it's outcome when you've only read the first three pages.
Give the Factions team a chance, people learn from their mistakes. Saying beforehand that the fourth chapter will suck is rather silly.

Ah, and I loved Factions. It's short but I love playing through the campaign.

Symeon · Dec 30, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

Well, if we trust one source, we may have to wait until August 2007 for Chapter 4. That gives ANet a long time to work on a great new chapter that is supposedly a 'new beginning' in storyline terms.

Whatever the case, the argument made by the OP is utterly dumb.

'Prophecies team is good': You're just talking about Prophecies, then, because Nightfall was NOT made by the whole original Prophecies team, only some of them.

'Factions team is bad': Sorry, but you're only talking about one chapter here, unless you count that some of the Factions team were part of the Prophecies team, too. Factions tried to improve on the faults of Prophecies, succeeding in some areas and failing in others. They can now learn from their mistakes and produce a Chapter 4 that improves on Nightfall. There are bound to be a few things that we may call 'bad' in this new chapter, just as there were in Nightfall, Factions and Prophecies. The next chapter will most certainly not suck just because Chapter 2 did, and if you think it will, you assume that the Factions team are too dumb to learn anything.

Next time, if you have a negative point to make about something, at least try to put forward an argument that makes some sense.

Fiendz Bane · Dec 30, 2006, 11:17 AM // 11:17

Factions wasn't bad, the artwork was really good, the story was (kinda) good, and we got more pvp and pve challenges. What else do you need?

I, for one, hate the armors in Nightfall..

arcanemacabre · Dec 30, 2006, 11:24 AM // 11:24

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Originally Posted by Fiendz Bane

Factions wasn't bad, the artwork was really good, the story was (kinda) good, and we got more pvp and pve challenges. What else do you need?

I, for one, hate the armors in Nightfall..

Oh, granted, there are great things about Factions, and the artwork and armors are definately in that list. The classes and skills are as well, and really those things are the main reasons I don't regret buying it.

I don't hate the armors in Nightfall, there's just fewer that I actually like compared to the other two chapters.

Rusty Deth · Dec 30, 2006, 11:55 AM // 11:55

I liked Factions...

And other people do too.

Redfeather1975 · Dec 30, 2006, 11:58 AM // 11:58

I liked factions as well. It was a refreshing change from prophecies.
Maybe it was how I was introduced to factions. I was like a kid in a candy store and very excited about all the skills available in kaineng and the speed at which I got skill points. I love skills!

FeuerFrei · Dec 30, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

i actually like all the chapters and im soo lookin fwd to chapter 4....

Darkpower Alchemist · Dec 30, 2006, 12:22 PM // 12:22

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Originally Posted by NeHoMaR

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I don't think Factions sucks, the problem is (and this will offend someone) assassins are NOT for noobs, is now when I am seeing good assassins out there, in the beginning of Factions 99% of assassins sucked, and "everybody" was assassin like "everybody" is dervish now, fortunately dervishes ARE very good for noobs, you can go out there with 3 skills and be successful, and you don't need make "combos" for kill. Anyway, a LOT of people deleted assassins and ritualists of their accounts, now, people is starting to delete dervishes and paragons; Only the people that really loves and learn how to play this 4 classes will NOT delete (or refuse to play) it, that's will be the pros of the future of that 4 classes; Pros like some assassins right now that just amaze me.

QFT. This statement here has alot of meaning. People who play the sin and rit will get better with time. Experience,practice and developed skill will,for sure, make for better players of these classes.

Give Team 2 a chance. 1 chapter doesn't make a bad team. Factions wasn't bad, it just wasn't as involving as Prophecies. That doesn't make it bad, that makes it less involving. I'm interested in what chapter 4 will be about. Who's next to get the well-to-do hero types ready for war?

Will we get another war torn region? Will AB make a resurgence? Will AB even be considered as "Real" PvP by the PvPers this time around? Only time will tell.

Kotetsu Rain · Dec 30, 2006, 01:09 PM // 13:09

I bought Factions because I was expecting a fun game. I got what i wanted even though I was a sin and immediatly clarified as a noob. Though now sins are expert farmers and deadly spikers with the addition of NF.

I bought NF for the Dervish running skills since when I saw them I knew I could make a pretty decent Droknars Forge runner. I did that but in return I LOVED the storyline of NF.

I bought both games for different reasons and I got great things in return. (maybe that's over reacting but.. feh,) So I'm not gonna dis anything til I can see it. I say Anet deserves my money....BRING ON THE 4TH CAMPAIGN!!!!

/roar

NeHoMaR · Dec 30, 2006, 01:31 PM // 13:31

I see GW as only ONE game, not THREE games.

Factions/Nightfall are NOT stand-alone for me, I see it like expansions to GW. So, I will never see Chapter 4th as an individual game, just MORE skills, missions, features, armors, weapons, classes, etc, to an already big and good game.

Stormcloud · Dec 30, 2006, 02:08 PM // 14:08

I didnt love factions but i didnt hate it either. Chapter 4 will be bought as well.

Mr_Cynical · Dec 30, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

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Originally Posted by Kais Unduli

We've only had 3 chapters to base our opinions off of, which isn't enough to make a solid judgment. Why don't we actually wait until the next campaign is released before we start making our proclamations.

If you think the next chapter is going to suck so badly, then just don't buy it and keep the whining to yourself.

I wasn't attempting to make a solid judgement, I was attempting to suggest what is likely to happen. What I said about Ch4 was no different from someone saying that a soccer team which has 1 win out of 20 games is probably not going to win its next game. It was not whining, simply a comparison between Factions and Nightfall. If your fanboyism can't accept criticism of the Anet God without resorting to name-calling then perhaps you shouldn't read a discussion forum.

Torikae · Dec 30, 2006, 02:45 PM // 14:45

I like Factions. I like it better than Nightfall. I like the speed at which it moves; I like the new skills it offered, I LOVE the artwork, the theme, and the armor; I love the explorable areas.
I appreciate that I'm in the minority, but it's not fair to make such generalised assumptions as to say "Factions sucked," because that's just not true. So you didn't like it. Nor did lots of other people. But that does not mean it sucked. It was just different.
Some of us still enjoyed it (and still enjoy it) very much for what it was.
For those who didn't, perhaps ANet will fulfill your wishes and learn from their 'mistakes', and make Chapter 4 more like Prophecies and Nightfall - I for one won't mind either way. I have found enjoyment in all three chapters so far.

Stormcloud · Dec 30, 2006, 02:57 PM // 14:57

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Originally Posted by Mr_Cynical

I wasn't attempting to make a solid judgement, I was attempting to suggest what is likely to happen. What I said about Ch4 was no different from someone saying that a soccer team which has 1 win out of 20 games is probably not going to win its next game. It was not whining, simply a comparison between Factions and Nightfall. If your fanboyism can't accept criticism of the Anet God without resorting to name-calling then perhaps you shouldn't read a discussion forum.

So anet has made 3 games and in your opinon 1 sucked, therefore the next will suck too because some soccer team won 1 out of 20....

Mr_Cynical · Dec 30, 2006, 03:00 PM // 15:00

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Originally Posted by Stormcloud

So anet has made 3 games and in your opinon 1 sucked, therefore the next will suck too because some soccer team won 1 out of 20....

I was making the point that predicting future performance on the basis of past performance is entirely valid. Since Anet have two development teams, which although they share creative info are basically kept separate (Anet said this, it's not my guessing), judging them separately makes sense. Saying 'anet made 3 games' ignores the fact that there are actually two development teams, one of which has made two great games and the other of which has made one mediocre game.

Stormcloud · Dec 30, 2006, 03:10 PM // 15:10

It been pointed out to you, a point which you chose to ignore, that BOTH teams made chapter 1. As such THEY made 1 chapter then split into 2 groups. Group A made factions, Group B made nightfall. Group A had 6 months to work on their title and group B had a year. That plays a huge role in how the title will turn out.

So Group A & B are really 1/1 and 1/1 for titles made on their own. I wouldnt doom group A to "only making bad chapters" based on only 1 chapter made.

Group A did a great Job making chapter 1 with group B so you cant say for certain given they have more time to work on chapter 4 that it will suck.

Saraphim · Dec 30, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

This argument is fundamentally flawed.

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The reason people are worrying (even without info on the new campaign) is that every chapter the Prophecies team has done has been good, while every* chapter the Factions team has done has sucked, therefore the Factions team have a higher chance of producing a poor chapter than the Prophecies team.

Why?

1. Every is a meaningless term when it only applies to one game (Factions)
2. It's likely (but only speculative) that most of the Factions team also worked on Prophecies, as there was only one team through the dev process on that game. So no, not every game they made sucked, which is subjective anyway. I may not have enjoyed Factions as much as Prophecies, but it far from "sucked".
3. The above point may be moot, and they may have hired a completely fresh crew for Factions. But I doubt it.

You're right about one thing, this is a discussion forum, but I'm afraid there's little discussion to be gained from a statement as fundamentally flawed as the above (in quotes)

Chapter 4, in my personal opinion, will need to bring significant new gameplay ideas in order to tempt me to buy. I'm having a great time playing all three chapters and taking my shiny new heroes back to Tyria etc.. but if chapter 4 is more of the same.. I don't know really. As much as I wouldn't like to see GW end up as just another MMO (and yes I know it's a CORPG).. at some point it's going to need to adapt in order to survive. Life skills, more socially oriented play etc.

*My emphasis.

Relambrien · Dec 30, 2006, 04:53 PM // 16:53

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Originally Posted by Mr_Cynical

I wasn't attempting to make a solid judgement, I was attempting to suggest what is likely to happen. What I said about Ch4 was no different from someone saying that a soccer team which has 1 win out of 20 games is probably not going to win its next game. It was not whining, simply a comparison between Factions and Nightfall. If your fanboyism can't accept criticism of the Anet God without resorting to name-calling then perhaps you shouldn't read a discussion forum.

Actually, it is different than your soccer analogy. The Factions team has had ONE chance to make a game (on its own), not 20. Therefore, thinking that C4 will suck is no different from thinking that a soccer team which lost its first game will also lose its second game.

As has been stated, Factions was an experiment, a way to try new things and fix known problems with Prophecies. Nightfall did the same thing. It fixed many of the problems with Factions, and problems with Prophecies that Factions didn't solve, and tried other new things, some of which worked, some of which didn't. C4 will again take what has worked and use it, while attempting to improve what didn't work, and try new things that may or may not work.

As a PvP-er I'm going to get C4 regardless of the PvE, just for the skills, and I screwed up the in-game store so I can't buy the PvP edition anyway :P

Oh, and my opinion on Factions was that the storyline had holes, but was overall decent, the locations, while beautiful, did not appeal to me (slummy cities, petrified forest, frozen sea aren't exactly my favorite places to be =\), and there were perhaps too many enemies for some groups to deal with. Overall, a good game on its own, but fairly poor in comparison to Prophecies. Nightfall, on the other hand, is showing a well-thought out story (with better voice acting!), beautiful locations that I want to be in, and a perfect level of challenge. Granted, there are still a few issues, but those will be addressed in C4.

LONGA · Dec 30, 2006, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Heh I can tell that 3 chapters have thier good things I can see
Phropercies >>> Land scape variety and Music.I just play throught it for elite skill
Faction >>> Fort Aspenwood.Lost its charm due to leecher.
Night Fall >>> Heroes and Difficulty in some area.Still trying to do boss run with less death as much as possible.